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Post by dawn on Apr 28, 2018 2:25:48 GMT
And it doesn't take much to join the police force....
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Post by maggiemay on Apr 28, 2018 2:36:45 GMT
how does a man like that get into the police force?? that's what I want to know Deb it is not that long go here that they were always recruited for brawn not brains, it was when the only respected honest commissioner, Whitrod was appointed that that changed, and now they have to do a reasonably difficult uni course and they are sometimes smaller men.....so i guess it was much the same in the US back then just think of the criminals that were here in the police, i won't say here what they were capable of, and did, but it was just as bad...in other states too
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Post by dawn on Apr 28, 2018 2:55:34 GMT
These days it's easier to become a cop than a nurse or teacher.
They have to test clean for drugs ( Walmart carries a drug test deceiving kit). They can't have a felony on their record. They train for six weeks. Now you're a cop.
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Post by joono on Apr 28, 2018 3:02:33 GMT
Six weeks!
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Post by pennybanger on Apr 28, 2018 5:57:50 GMT
SIX WEEKS!
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Post by dawn on Apr 28, 2018 8:54:30 GMT
I feel like I should point out that I have no knowledge about other states.
My comments are specific to my town, my state, and specific to city police. (Beat cops)
I could be making huge assumptions and I shouldn't do that.
I am on good terms with our police and sheriff departments. Most of them know my name, etc.
(Lol the dispatcher called me once to say my mom was trying to reach me but forgot my info)
I live in a small town, on a road in the middle of nowhere. It's where everyone will want to be if the RWs get their wars that they are hoping for. I didn't move here for that reason. I just wanted the Andy Griffith life.
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Post by kayoneuu1 on Apr 28, 2018 8:59:04 GMT
Nah dawn. When it all goes to shit New Zealand is the place to be. I’m packed and ready
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Post by dawn on Apr 28, 2018 9:04:28 GMT
I meant for US citizens.
I live in one of the zones where survivalists want to be (I couldn't afford Idaho and it's too cold anyway).
My friend from CA who moved here went all survivally nuts. I helped them purchase and load hundreds of pounds of "it keeps forever" food. I helped them take all that crap to the dump a few years later. Except the tuna. That was still good. I fed that to the dogs when I inherited it.
You would not believe how upset and depressed this person became when FEMA didn't shuttle everyone off to camps. Obama did not ruin America... lol...
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Post by pennybanger on Apr 29, 2018 7:48:50 GMT
I don't think any of those keyboard warriors on the Politics board have the faintest conception of what a Civil War would really be like.
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Post by maggiemay on Apr 29, 2018 8:17:37 GMT
i see that trump has once again cowarded out of the white house correspondents' dinner, the only potus to do so with the exception of reagan when he had a bullet in him
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Post by figlet on Apr 30, 2018 10:32:18 GMT
Are survivalists the same as doomsday preppers, Dawn? I saw some of them interviewed (they lived in Smoky Mountain, Tennessee) in a TV program a few months ago.
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Post by dawn on Apr 30, 2018 10:55:31 GMT
Yes, the same. Some conspiracy theorists are like that, too.
Editing: Mostly the same. I suppose a survivalist could be terrified of the government, but not necessarily paranoid about the world ending.
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Post by dawn on Apr 30, 2018 10:58:29 GMT
I'm on the opposite end of the state. I looked at property on that end (the east) but couldn't afford it. It was so much prettier than the west end (where I am). And Dollywood is in the smokies!
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Post by figlet on Apr 30, 2018 11:14:24 GMT
Dawn: Mostly the same. I suppose a survivalist could be terrified of the government, but not necessarily paranoid about the world ending.
That's a good explanation... I wasn't quite sure what they were 'prepping' for. They were just one small part of the TV program.
The ones shown, did live in a very pretty area.. pretty tree lined roads etc.. Hid their supplies, weapons in the woods...
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Post by joono on May 6, 2018 3:41:18 GMT
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Post by maggiemay on May 18, 2018 21:41:36 GMT
another school shooting, 22nd this year trump whimpering "we must do something"....after he reversed a decision on semi-automatics (i might have the type wrong there)
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2018 22:53:26 GMT
no, you've got it right, although i don't know yet what the texas shooter(s?) were using. there was also explosives on the school grounds.
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Post by maggiemay on May 18, 2018 23:57:04 GMT
shotgun and a pistol belonging to his father....2 teachers, 8 students, and 10 others injured...just horrible
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Post by pennybanger on May 19, 2018 5:20:34 GMT
I've just written a post on there asking what drives young people in in America to do this kind of thing. If.as the gun lobby insist, it has nothing to do with easy access to guns, then what causes it? It doesn't happen in other countries.
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Post by dawn on May 19, 2018 9:26:05 GMT
We didn't talk much about this at work tonight. We were still talking about Laurel Yanny.
I think my small group of coworkers and I have become desensitized. I feel bad about it, but it really was more interesting to talk about stupid stuff than mass murders that we can't do anything about. The other major topic of convo was season finales and cancellations on tv.
When the Texas incident was brought up, there were shrugs and then... "did anyone notice Shannon is wearing make up tonight"?
I think all of us at work are glad we don't have children in school.
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Post by dawn on May 20, 2018 11:50:05 GMT
Penny~ I was reading your posts in the political "I hate libs" forum. I don't post there.
I think the US does overmedicate active boys (and sometimes girls).
I'm not saying this is why they shoot each other.
I grew up in a place where parents beat the crap out of boys who were hyperactive. They didn't call it ADD or ADHD. They didn't get a prescription.
Sometimes teachers recognized these boys were highly gifted, and they saw that they needed challenges. Their misbehavior wasn't considered "asshole boys".
I remember some of them, when we had mediocre teachers, were punished. Sometimes we would bully them. (Especially when the entire class was punished).
I can't imagine these boys (1970s/80s) would want to kill everyone at school. 20 years later, when my kid was in school- I could see these medicated children, and bullied children, and I can look back and see it could have escalated.
Statistics are kind of meaningless because we don't know how many people share meds, steal meds (I remember parents stealing *their own kids* Ritalin!) or obtain meds without a prescription.
You would be hard pressed to watch public tv here for 30 minutes without seeing at least 3 pharmaceutical commercials, 3 sodas and 3 fast food commercials. (I think I will test out my guess later and let you know).
When I was a kid they pushed cereal and toys. Now they push meds and fatty fake additives and soda (which have all proven to be addictive).
I think that's the problem, along with social media and bullying, and crazy rhetoric from parents on meds or fast food or sodas or using social media and bullying. (You should see American parents at their kids sports games).
Just think about some of the posts you read in the political forum, there are real people behind those words and that board is one of many social media posting places. Many of those people have kids and those kids hear that rhetoric (assuming the parent is paying attention to them and not on the internet).
Add all of my ramblings together- we're going to hell in a hand basket and we are never going back to the simpler times. This is the new normal.
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Post by pennybanger on May 20, 2018 13:31:15 GMT
Thanks Dawn. I think in Australia too there is a tendency to believe everything can be fixed with the right pill. But as I said, I don't know whether the prescription rate is higher in your country than it is here. There has to be some underlying reason though why these killings happen in America and not here and I think a bit more soul searching and a lot less political finger pointing would not go amiss. Since 1989 you've had alternating Republican and Democratic presidencies, so blaming either side of politics seems pretty pointless. I do suspect that easy access to guns has a lot to do with it. In australia criminals and terrorists might know where to procure weapons but an angry teenager would not find it easy to get his hands on a gun. Most households don't own one and those that do are obliged by law to keep them under lock and key in approved lockers at all times.
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Post by dawn on May 21, 2018 3:45:29 GMT
There's other way to kill people besides guns- but guns are the easiest to find.
I read a story about some girls luring a kid into the woods and stabbing the kid multiple times (20 something I think). And there's bombs, poison, strangulation etc.
When I had a kid in my house, our guns were locked in a safe that required a key and a combination to open it. One of my kids friends put a bomb in a mailbox (the kind that sits on the corner for all to deposit mail). That kid was the type that would have taken one of our guns if they were not locked up.
After that incident I forbade my kid to continue the friendship.
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Post by pennybanger on May 21, 2018 8:54:14 GMT
I think that's the point everyone is overlooking, Dawn - it's not so much about owning guns as recognising the responsibility that goes with owning them.
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Post by maggiemay on May 21, 2018 21:42:37 GMT
firearms are not locked away in the country, though
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Post by pennybanger on May 22, 2018 1:38:31 GMT
I'm pretty sure they are legally obliged to be kept locked in a secure safe, whoever owns them. Rigorously policing that in more remote areas would be difficult though and some owners may be well be careless.
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Post by dawn on May 22, 2018 3:54:28 GMT
I'm pretty sure there are no laws about keeping guns locked up. It's done by choice.
I don't think there are laws in all the states about it being legally required to report a stolen gun. (14 states have it ?- don't quote me on that).
Here's how I bought 3 guns~
1. A gun show - I bought a hand gun. I was not allowed to pay cash. Paper trail mandatory. They did a background check that took about half an hour. (Side note: people were selling guns in the parking lot for cash with no questions asked)
2. Through an ad in the paper - I bought a rifle. Went to his house, paid cash. He checked my ID and wrote the info down. He made me sign a form indicating I was taking possession of the gun.
3. On my road - I traded my chainsaw for a shotgun with my neighbor.
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Post by joono on May 22, 2018 5:52:42 GMT
Have you ever had to use your gun Dawn? I really hate the idea of even having one in the house.
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Post by dawn on May 22, 2018 6:18:03 GMT
I shot the handgun a couple of times to see what it was like.
I got these guns because I was peer pressured into it. I also bought a deep freezer, A generator, solar panels, the list of stupid things I bought goes on and on. More peer pressure LOL
I got rid of these guns after an incident. An incident that made me have stronger feelings about God and being a Christian.
The bottom line is I would rather be killed than to kill. The reality is that if someone were to break into my house they would use the gun to kill me not the other way around.
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Post by joono on May 22, 2018 7:03:05 GMT
I would be the same. More worried about it being used against me than the other way around. It's the same as someone keeping a baseball bat under the bad. The intruder is already awake and more likely to find it than someone who is asleep.
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