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Post by avatarcat on Feb 6, 2019 23:29:37 GMT
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Post by joono on Feb 7, 2019 0:18:45 GMT
I saw this photo from Black Saturday on Twitter this morning. Horrifying!
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Post by pepe on Feb 7, 2019 0:20:39 GMT
that was such a horrible time, i hope it never happens again
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Post by avatarcat on Feb 7, 2019 2:04:20 GMT
My niece, her wife and their boys lived there in the worst hit area. My niece's account of her day is harrowing and my niece's wife's experience was horrific and has left her with PTSD. She was in the CFA at the time and fought the fires. She's getting through the day the best she can and so are the boys.Their house suffered minor ember damage but the front fence was burnt to the ground. Most of their neighbours lost their homes with some losing their lives as well. Amongst the destruction, there was the odd house still standing and untouched.
I went up there soon afterwards and it was such a terrible thing to see the once lush forest now blackened, homes burnt, others bulldozed and left in piles of twisted debris. Houses gone, people gone, animals gone.
The fires brought out the best and worst in people. Amongst the worst was the then owners of the local pub which was right near the evacuation centre. They would not allow anyone in - not even those suffering from burns, some severely - because they were afraid that their fire extinguishers would be stolen.
The evacuation area was outdoors and once night time fell the temperature plummeted from the high 40's down to the bitter cold. The majority of people barely had enough time to save themselves let alone think ahead to what the temp may be later on so grabbing some warm clothing was not uppermost in people's minds. There were men, women and children - all in shock, all frightened, many injured, all freezing - but the hoteliers refused to provide blankets and yet again refused admittance to the pub.
There were also fires happening around them. The petrol station had exploded and the local shops were burning so there was also the smoke to contend with. Days later, the hoteliers tried to redeem themselves but it was too little, too late and they ended up selling and moved away.
The best was the resilience of those affected by the fires and the heartfelt generosity of the general public.
Fast forward ten years and the vultures descend. My niece told me this morning, that the media have been pestering people in the streets and have gone as far as to phoning the local chemist, twice, not identifying themselves, and asking how many residents are on anti-depressants because of the fires. The press will be kicked out this evening and the roads blocked so that the locals can commemorate what happened a decade ago in peace and privacy.
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Post by pepe on Feb 7, 2019 2:28:24 GMT
damn how could those hoteliers do that - how could you sleep knowing there were people suffering and you could ease that a little but didn't??
and a thousand poxes on the media calling the chemists.
our town was lucky, we were surrounded by fires but were mostly safe - we had embers falling in our yards and choppers sucking up water wherever they could find it - dams, ponds in parks etc - i know how that day impacted my world, i can not even begin to imagine what the victims went through and would still be going through
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Post by joono on Feb 7, 2019 2:31:43 GMT
I'm not surprised the hoteliers had to move on. What a disgrace. You'd think the first thing they would want to do is reach out and support their community and indeed their patrons.
It's hard to condemn the media. They are also trying to commemorate what happened. It would be kind of heartless for them to do nothing about all those homes lost and the lives in turmoil or lost. The chemist caller should hang their head.
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Post by kayoneuu1 on Feb 7, 2019 2:42:27 GMT
It’s quite amazing what some people do, both good and bad. I remember a boy being caught looting immediately after the Canberra fires. He was in my sons year at school and I knew his family reasonably well. I was absolutely shocked when we heard it was him. I can’t remember what eventually happened about that. But there were lots of stories about the amazingly generous things total strangers were doing as well.
All the best to your niece and her wife ava.
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Post by maggiemay on Feb 7, 2019 5:12:28 GMT
i had no idea that so many died, Ava, must be hard for everyone on this anniversary
i heard a discussion about these incidents and that the authorities need to do better in their advice to residents......because people are still driving into floodwaters and still staying "to save their houses" when told to go
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Post by avatarcat on Feb 7, 2019 5:44:29 GMT
The CFA members keep their loved ones informed so that they know when its time for them to evacuate, however, Telstra was struggling badly with the congestion so the messages didn't get through. I remember reading that some of the messages were diverted to Centrelink.I think that Telstra blamed the emergency services.
My niece was at home with my grand-nephews who were only 3 and 5 at the time, as well as 4 cats, 3dogs, and a litter of puppies. She stepped outside because she could see embers where she found her neighbour getting ready to leave. She told my niece to leave so she grabbed the kids and pets and put them in the car and set off down the mountain - in the dark because the smoke was so thick, with explosions and fire around her - to the evacuation centre.
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Post by maggiemay on Feb 7, 2019 5:48:56 GMT
just awful, Ava, thank you for your descriptions of this tragedy
i do remember the issues with communications, let's hope the authorities do better if there is a next time
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Post by kayoneuu1 on Feb 7, 2019 6:58:56 GMT
This was an interesting read in this mornings paper. Today is the 10th anniversary of the devastating Black Saturday bushfires that struck Victoria, killing 173 people and damaging thousands of homes and businesses. It was a tragic day for many and it also is now viewed as a defining moment in the way such emergencies are handled, not just in Australia, but around the world. We learnt a lot from that day, and from the resulting royal commission, but there are still things we need to know. We will see bushfires like this again, and perhaps we are not as prepared as we think we are. www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/ten-years-on-there-is-a-bit-of-complacency-in-all-of-us-20190206-p50w0m.html
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Post by maggiemay on Feb 7, 2019 7:39:26 GMT
that's a good article, Kay
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Post by flashie on Feb 7, 2019 8:21:40 GMT
Today is the 51 anniversary of the 1967 bushfires here. I was only a little girl when they happened.................but I can still remember the smell. Hubby was living in a rural area and it was his first day of school EVER. His Mum had gone into town to buy herself a new pair of bathers. She said she was all dressed up as you did in those days to go shopping. When she heard about the fires she tried to get home as quickly as she could as hubbys school was being evacuated. She didn't know if hubby and his sister were at home..............or still at the school. She checked their house and they weren't there. She ran though the bush to get to the school as quick as she could. Somehow her and hubby and his sister must have crossed paths.......neither seeing the other. Hubby and his sister got back to their house and could see it was too dangerous to stay. So they let the horses out of the stables............and ran next door. No one was there next door..............they left there...........leaving the door open which saved that house. They ran down the road..............and a kind person tried to pick them up and take them down to the beach to safety. But hubby wouldn't go...........and kicked the kind guy in the shins. So hubby and his sister ran down the road to the beach..............making it safely. Until the day she died hubby mother said it was the most scary day of her life. running through the bush not knowing if her children were safe. She didn't know until the next day where her eldest son was. His High School had been evacuated and he had been bused to his Aunties house a few suburbs away. Hubbys family were lucky enough not to lose their house.................but the stables burnt down. And many of their neighbours lost their houses. www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-06/tasmanias-1967-black-tuesday-bushfires-explained/8241698(sorry about the novel)
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Post by avatarcat on Feb 7, 2019 9:01:06 GMT
Flashie, that would have been terrifying for her. I can imagine how sick with worry she would have been. She would have been beside herself not knowing if her children were safe or not.
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Post by kayoneuu1 on Feb 7, 2019 12:49:16 GMT
I think I've told before our experience of the Canberra fires. I think it will always be the scariest day of my life.
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