Donning headscarves after recent NZ terrorist attack....

there are women being jailed and whipped for not wearing it - its compulsory in many places

its one thing to expect people to follow a dress code (for want of a better term) when inside a place of worship but to impose it on their every day lives is just so wrong.

Liberal Muslims don't have to wear head scarves, hijab. Some drink alcohol too. They still practice their faith.

A friend of mine who moved here as a child with her family from Bosnia said even her grandmother never wore one.

There certainly are, but you won't hear about that from Muslim sympathisers. They will try and tell you it's the woman's choice. In a lot of places it is most definitely NOT a choice.

I love Arden but I didn't agree with the head scarf as a sign of support. There's just no need to dress like them as a way to be seen as supporting them. 

Their OTT clothing is oppression plain and simple.

Only when it is enforced. It is cultural and varies from country to country. Moderate muslims choose to wear or not to wear particular items of clothing and to lump all muslims together shows a lack of insight. Women tend to be "shackled" in one way or another but without the outcry that accompanies religion. Sin has pointed out other examples that have not even raised an eyebrow. What Adern did was to show respect and inclusivity - something not just this country could learn from.


Women should always be given the right to make her own choices which is difficult in such a patriarchal world.

I think Sin's point was Orthodox Jewish women have to cover up too, and that it didn't go down too well with the males if they didn't follow the rules. Probably people don't raise an eyebrow about them because it's not their religion that goes around blowing up people that don't believe what they do.

Muslim sympathisers wasn't the phrase I was looking for earlier, I meant to say Muslim apologists.

It's now not pc to say anything negative about Islam, about their extremists or talk about the control they have in our country, if you do you are automatically deemed a racist, or told you hate all Muslims.

Muslim women who conform to Muslim men's rules about what they can and can't wear in Western societies are setting women's rights back to a time where women had no say at all. jmo.

There is a verse in the Quran that advocates violence against women. Some Imams teach it here. Muslim women are generally okay with it and some will even defend it which shows you just how oppressed they are.

I'm anti religion fullstop. We need to lose the gods.

Grow up, Duff. Taking potshots at me because you were unfriended is not a good look. I won't be posting in this thread again so that it doesn't turn into a shitfight.

well that was random... as far as i can see duffy was discussing the topic in my OP, which is in no way having a shot at anyone...

Maggie, my daughters posts are often read wrong, she writes things that sound very bitchy but they don’t sound that way in her head🤣🤣🤣

AC, it was Pepe that started this thread, not me! and I am allowed to comment just as others are. My comments would have been the same regardless, because I don't like Islam. (I don't like any religions!)

Pretty rich you telling me to grow up. Yes, you 'unfriended' me on FB, because I made a post about Islam on MY newsfeed. I tried to talk to you in a message, but you ignored me, then unfriended me and now you've brought it here. Sigh.

People can agree to disagree on stuff and still be friends. I know that because in the case of religion I have two friends that are Christians and one that is Hare Krishna. There are countless other things for us to talk about and have in common other than religion. Not all religious people try to shove their god down your throat.

FTR and FWIW I have made two posts about Islam in the 10 years or so I've been on FB. Two! I can't even count the amount of times I've had a go at Christianity on there. lol! You never said anything about them, in fact, you 'liked' a lot of them and even commented on them in agreeance. 

It think an important point is being missed in this discussion. After the attack on the mosque Jacinda Adern would have had two major concerns; one, that there would be retalliatory attacks by outraged Muslims and two, that there would be copycat attacks by emboldened right wing extremists. By orchestrating such an overwhelming show of support and disgust by the entire community, she has ensured that would-be vengeance seekers will know they do not have support from the Muslim community and right wing nut jobs will know they cannot expect support of the non Muslim community. I think she did a fantastic job and if donning a headscarf for a day was part of that job, then in my opinion it was a small price to pay.

And on the matter of headwear, I spotted a family in my local coffee shop the other day - mum, dad and four children - the only ones not wearing a head covering were the woman and little girl. I imagine the family was Hindu or Sikh.